Creating Value in Schools | Sustainability | People, planet and resources
How can we make schools more sustainable – in all senses of the word? How can school leaders promote a sustainable way of working? Make best use of our resources, in a way that’s good for people and planet? In conversation with educators, we exchange insights and ideas. Hosted by Liz Worthen.
For more from the Creating Value in Schools community, visit www.createvalueschools.com
Episodes

12 hours ago
12 hours ago
‘Not only is it unsustainable, but it’s not delivering results.’ We bring together Benedicte Yue’s passion for inclusion with her financial expertise for a deep dive into the world of SEND.
What’s making the current system unsustainable? What are the barriers to a more inclusive system? What would a more equitable and effective approach look like? Who can we learn from? And what needs to change in terms of accountability for this to work?
‘We must transition from a narrow individual focus on accountability to a collaborative system.’
Benedicte Yue is Chief Financial Officer at River Learning Trust, bringing over 30 years’ experience in audit and finance to the role. Awarded CFO of the Year at the 2023 MAT Excellence Awards, she is a sector leader and champion for change.
Liz Worthen’s career in education spans teaching, training, commissioning and programme development. Creating Value in Schools is all about working sustainably: taking care of people, planet and resources to secure better outcomes for children and communities.
Benedicte Yue’s SEND priorities paper for ISBL: https://blog.isbl.org.uk/addressing-englands-special-educational-needs-crisis-key-priorities-and-solutions
The Centre for Education Systems’ SEND policy reports: https://www.ces.partners/send-summary
Sam Freedman on Substack: https://samf.substack.com/
Sam Freedman’s Substack on TikTok politics: https://samf.substack.com/p/three-seconds (for paid subscribers)
More from Creating Value in Schools on SEND reform: https://createvalueschools.com/need-to-know/ways-forward-for-send-reform
From Benedicte’s previous podcast: https://createvalueschools.com/blog/values-impact-and-agency-lessons-learned-in-operational-leadership/
Join the Creating Value in Schools community: https://createvalueschools.com/subscribe/
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Tuesday Jan 13, 2026
Tuesday Jan 13, 2026
‘One of the things that I'm really aware of at the moment is so many school leaders are in this stage of it feels like it's one crisis after another. The perma-crisis. One more domino and another then another.’
Paul K Ainsworth shares how reading emergency planner Lucy Easthope’s book Come What May: Life-Changing Lessons for Coping with Crisis resonated with his experience of what happens when things go wrong in schools.
Drawing on Lucy Easthope’s lessons, Paul talks about the phases of recovery, the dangers of hopium, acknowledging that it takes time for things to get better, and the importance of seeking help.
‘But I genuinely believe it will get better. And I think that anything that we can do that rebuilds our reservoirs of hope is so important.’
Paul K Ainsworth is a school improvement champion. He has supported hundreds of schools on their improvement journey in his system leadership roles across four multi-academy trusts. Paul is the author of No Silver Bullets: Day In, Day Out School Improvement and writes on Substack as No Silver Bullets Man.
Liz Worthen’s career in education spans teaching, training, commissioning and programme development. Creating Value in Schools is all about sustainable working: taking care of people, planet and resources to secure better outcomes for children and communities.
Listen to Professor Lucy Easthope on Desert Island Discs: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002d87s
Find Come What May in the Creating Value in Schools bookshop: bookshop.org/shop/createvalueschools
Read Paul’s blogs: paulkainsworth.wordpress.com
Find Paul’s books: paulkainsworth.wordpress.com/books
Paul on sustainable school improvement: createvalueschools.com/blog/keep-going-routes-to-sustainable-improvement-and-finding-your-why
Join the Creating Value in Schools community: createvalueschools.com/subscribe
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Tuesday Dec 30, 2025
Tuesday Dec 30, 2025
What does it mean to work sustainably or build a more sustainable organisation? Is it all about the environment? Drawing on contributions from podcast guests, host Liz Worthen questions what we mean when we talk about sustainability. What are the ingredients for a sustainable organisation and development? What does that look like for schools and education settings?
Liz Worthen is an educator, researcher, podcaster and writer. Her career in education spans teaching, training, commissioning and programme development, creating resources which enable leaders to flourish in their roles. Creating Value in Schools is about the exploration of sustainable working in education, to secure better outcomes for learners and communities.
The Triple Bottom Line: online.hbs.edu/blog/post/what-is-the-triple-bottom-line
United Nations 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development: sdgs.un.org/2030agenda
United Nations 17 goals: sdgs.un.org/goals
More from Creating Value in Schools: createvalueschools.com
Podcasts featured in this episode
Seeking the co-benefits: people, planet – and financial efficiency, with Paul Edmond
Be kind: how to entice teachers and governors into our schools, with John Viner
Keep sight of your North Star: navigating the school business landscape, with Benedicte Yue
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Tuesday Dec 16, 2025
Tuesday Dec 16, 2025
Host Liz Worthen gets together with school business leadership champions Helen Burge and Emma Gray to find out what they’ve been up to this term.
Questions arising include:
Who’s responsible for income generation in a school setting?
Why does integrated curriculum finance planning (ICFP) matter?
Where can school business managers, leaders or professionals turn to for support?
How does standing in a corridor full of teenagers help restore your vitality?
What is operational excellence, and why do we need it?
Is sherry making a comeback?
Why young people need trusted adults in their lives.
Both Emma Gray and Helen Burge were executive business leaders in trusts, and now support school business professionals through coaching, training and consultancy. Emma is a DfE accredited school resource management advisor, and Helen co-chairs the UK Schools Sustainability Network Operations Group. They are fans of risk management, internal scrutiny and operational excellence.
Liz Worthen’s career in education spans teaching, training, commissioning and programme development. Creating Value in Schools is all about sustainable working: taking care of people, planet and resources to secure better outcomes for children and communities.
More from Creating Value in Schools: createvalueschools.com
More from Justin Smith on income generation: createvalueschools.com/blog/optimism-and-opportunity-creating-an-income-generation-culture/
DfE school business professionals survey: gov.uk/government/publications/survey-of-school-business-professionals-2025
School Business Leader Support Hub: sblsupporthub.com/
Operational Excellence in Education: isbl.org.uk/opex
What does a school resource management adviser (SRMA) do? gov.uk/government/publications/the-school-resource-management-advisers-srma-programme
Find out more about the SBL retreat: www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/sbl-retreat-2026-reflect-restore-reconnect-tickets-1812889113139
Browse the Creating Value in Schools bookshop: bookshop.org/shop/createvalueschools
Contact Emma Gray: 1stpillar.co.uk
Contact Helen Burge: buoyantimpact.co.uk
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#SchoolBusinessLeadership

Tuesday Dec 02, 2025
Tuesday Dec 02, 2025
What enables people to keep calm and carry on in the overwhelming intensity of school life? What helps people keep going, avoid burnout, and stay focused on the things that matter?
Host Liz Worthen draws on lessons learned by previous podcast guests. What keeps them energised? What keeps them going?
Start with your why.
Stay focused on your priorities.
Don’t sweat if it doesn’t all go to plan. Things will happen!
Take opportunities for creative problem solving.
Remember to rest… and count the flowers.
‘You need to keep pulling yourself back to those as priorities. Because otherwise, your priorities are the whack a mole school of educational leadership, coming in, responding to the first person at your door, the person that sent you those emails.’
Liz Worthen is an educator, researcher, podcaster and writer. Her career in education spans teaching, training, commissioning and programme development, creating resources which enable leaders to flourish in their roles. Creating Value in Schools is about the exploration of sustainable working in education, in order to secure better outcomes for learners and communities.
Podcasts featured in this episode
Keep going: routes to sustainable improvement and finding your why, with Paul K. Ainsworth
The art of balance: survival skills for school leaders, with Josephine Smith
You can't turn off the machine: investing time in school leadership, with Caroline Doherty
Navigating the unexpected: advice for school leaders, with Josephine Smith
Avoiding and addressing staff burnout in schools, with Nicola Harvey
Know your place: how to tackle inequality in education, with Sean Harris
Further resources
More from Paul K. Ainsworth: paulkainsworth.wordpress.com
More from Nicola Harvey: harveyheals.com
Follow Sean Harris on Substack: thatpovertyguy.substack.com
For more ideas and inspiration: createvalueschools.com
#SustainableSchools #Education #Leadership

Tuesday Nov 18, 2025
Tuesday Nov 18, 2025
How do we tackle the impact of poverty and disadvantage in our schools? Is education alone enough to combat inequality? What does it mean to be furiously curious about the causes of inequality and what can we do about it? Are you ready to be a graceful disruptor?
Host Liz Worthen talks to Sean Harris, aka That Poverty Guy, about why place matters, life in the Tees Valley, what it means to be a civil architect in practice, and the importance of listening. If he had the ear of the education secretary, what would he ask for?
‘A commitment to deep social justice needs deep social listening, and that involves having to work alongside and talk to people that are facing the lived and the living reality of these issues.’
Sean Harris is Director of People, Learning and Community Engagement (PLACE) at Tees Valley Education. He’s also an author, researcher, That Poverty Guy on Substack, and furiously curious about tackling inequality.
Liz Worthen started out as an English teacher, since then working in educational programmes, professional development and publishing. Liz is passionate about enabling fellow educators to have a positive impact on the world.
Follow Sean on Substack: substack.com
Guddi Singh’s guest blog: substack.com/p/guest-blog-beyond-classrooms-and
Listen to Three Ages of Child: bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002k385
Buy Sean’s book: bookshop.org/shop/createvalueschools
Child of the North toolkits: https://www.n8research.org.uk/child-of-the-north-launches-new-campaign-as-latest-findings-reveal-worrying-trends/
For more ideas and resources, visit createvalueschools.com
#SustainableSchools #Education #Inequality #SocialJustice

Tuesday Sep 30, 2025
Tuesday Sep 30, 2025
‘Make sure that children are there leading on these projects. Because if they're leading, then they're more likely to want to carry it on and encourage teachers, the community and their families to get involved too.’
Host Liz Worthen talks to Edd Moore about his experience of inspiring pupils with eco-projects in schools, integrating learning into the curriculum, and engaging families and communities in the process. Questions addressed include:
How do you get started on the greener school journey?
Why does waste matter?
How do you get others on board?
How do you get from a school yard wildflower hunt to a regenerated community meadow?
Edd also shares how teaching in Bali compares to the UK, and brings a whole new meaning to curriculum deep dives!
Edd Moore is an eco-schools champion. As a teacher he led his primary school to a number of awards, including the Jane Goodall Roots and Shoots Educational Institution of the Year. Edd is the author of 100 Ideas for Primary Teachers: Greener School, and combines providing eco-support to schools with his role as Head of Education at Green Schools Project.
For more ideas, inspiration and information, visit createvalueschools.com
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Tuesday Sep 02, 2025
Tuesday Sep 02, 2025
‘So if school business professionals are engaged and supported to adapt, I truly believe that the role can become more impactful, more strategic, and better recognised.’
Host Liz Worthen chats with award-winning CFO Benedicte Yue about thriving in a tough funding climate. From making smarter financial decisions to empowering your team, harnessing tech, and driving real community impact, Benedicte shares practical strategies and big-picture inspiration for school leaders who want to do more than just survive.
‘All these operational functions are really enablers to achieve wider goals and we should never lose sight of the North Star.’
For more ideas, inspiration and information, visit createvalueschools.com
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Tuesday Aug 12, 2025
Tuesday Aug 12, 2025
What’s the problem with free school meal funding? Where does your food come from, and where does it end up?
In this extract from our longer conversation, host Liz Worthen talks to school business leaders Emma Gray and Helen Burge talk about why food is high on the school agenda, with challenges around:
funding for and access to free school meals
rising catering costs
food miles and sustainability
the financial and environmental cost of food waste.
Top tip: whatever you do, do not put your food waste in the general waste bin!
Information and updates: createvalueschools.com
More about Helen Burge: buoyantimpact.co.uk
More about Emma Gray: 1stpillar.co.uk
#SustainableSchools
#Food

Thursday Jul 31, 2025
Thursday Jul 31, 2025
'Sometimes the smallest thing can be a game changer.'
School business leadership champions Emma Gray and Helen Burge join Liz Worthen for SBLs Unbound: a candid conversation on what’s surprised, challenged and inspired in schools this year. From budget stress and staff turnover to sustainability and school meals, they share tips to help SBLs thrive, not just survive.
No two schools are alike. Despite national policies, schools operate in wildly different ways. Don’t assume uniformity – sharing ideas across settings can reveal practical, low-effort wins.
Sustainability needs leadership. Sustainability won’t stick unless it’s championed from the top. The most successful schools treat it as core to their culture, not an add-on.
Free school meals = hidden budget pressure. Many schools are losing money per meal. Add food waste into the mix, and it’s a double hit. Talk to contractors, tweak menus, and get pupils involved.
Staff turnover isn’t always bad. Yes, retention matters – but so does opportunity. A culture that supports growth and movement helps attract and keep talent. Invest in training and use appraisals to grow leaders.
'If you're spending money to throw stuff away, that just seems crazy.'
Information and updates: createvalueschools.com
More about Helen Burge: buoyantimpact.co.uk
More about Emma Gray: 1stpillar.co.uk
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